Algren: What do you want? Katsumoto: To know my enemy. Algren: I've seen what you do to your enemies. Katsumoto: The warriors in your country do not kill? Algren: They don't cut the heads off defeated, kneeling men. Katsumoto: General Hasegawa asked me to help him end his life. A Samurai cannot stand the shame of defeat. I was honored to cut off his head.

Algren finally meets with Katsumoto after he recovers from his injuries and alcohol withdrawals. He asks Katsumoto what he wants from him in which he states he wants to know his enemies. Both men discuss the way in which each warrior and soldier kills.